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Kais Fiddler
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.29 15:47:00 -
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GeneralNukeEm wrote:Quote:We did look closely at the MWD cap use bonus and in the end decided that there wasn't any replacement compelling enough to warrant a change. How is 7.5% tracking per level for medium hybrid turrets not a compelling replacement for MWD cap use? I agree, 7.5% tracking would make me want to fly the deimos. |
Kais Fiddler
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.29 16:00:00 -
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Tuxedo Catfish wrote:CCP Rise wrote:MeBiatch wrote:Why is a tracking bonud compelling on a thorax but not a diemos? Because Thorax doesn't also have a falloff bonus and a second damage bonus. The combination would just be way too much on the Deimos. I missed this the first time around. The Muninn has a double damage, range, and tracking bonus, and yet remains a niche doctrine ship at best. I really don't see how the Deimos, with inferior alpha and a falloff bonus instead of optimal, would end up being overpowered in the same context. CCP Rise could you address this? I don't see a real concern over the deimos getting a tracking bonus. I'd love to try using a deimos as an anti-support ship, but as it stands its only use is as a quickly killed brawler which gets a quirky cap bonus if using an MWD. Not exactly something you'd see often in anything other than a gate camp gang in null sec. |
Kais Fiddler
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.29 23:20:00 -
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Bouh Revetoile wrote:Wow ! I'm realizing people are complaining about the Deimos losing a utility high slot for a mid slot...
Then, I understand why CCP is rather conservative in these changes. The ships are mostly only better than before in a lot of ways, and yet people cry, and often for no real reason, like the Sacrilege capacitor or the Vagabond shield boost bonus.
I'm losing hope for humanity. We're not complaining about the ishtar, which is being buffed in reasonable and powerful ways. The deimos isn't getting that kind of love however. |
Kais Fiddler
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.30 04:56:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Grath Telkin wrote: Just to be clear so you get it: Hacs are not outperforming t1 cruisers in many regards, so the diminishing return is coming from where, since I already showed you all the holes in your original reasoning for the price increase.
Tanks: for the price of a hac you get more tank and better insurance return from a battleship Damage: t1 cruisers can outclass most Hacs in outright damage dealt up close Damage Projection: ABC's outclass HAC's in every way with damage projection, a single painter negates this sweet role buff
Insurance, hull cost, rig slots, fitting slots in some cases overall fitting ability, speed.....theres just so many places that HAC's are outclassed by cheaper hulls, your diminishing returns argument is laughable.
Just to be clear so you get it: 1. Hacs clearly outperform T1 cruisers. No question. Their tank, resistance to ewar, resistance to cap warfare, sig radius while mobile, and ability to stay moving (better cap regen) are substantially superior to T1 cruisers. T1 cruisers have similar dps and are slightly faster. The engagement envelope of a T1 cruiser will be swamped by HACs. You know this, and your one-sided comparison using only dps numbers to make your point is laughable at best. 2. Comparing a HAC to a BS is moronic as well. Different roles. Yet you decide to pick one aspect of their stats to make your point? (which is what, a BS is bigger than a cruiser hull?) 3. Comparing an ABC is equally moronic since they have completely different roles. But yes, if you put a HAC into the role of an ABC it's going to lose. Put an ABC into a HACs role and it will compare poorly as well.
Yes lets not compare each class of ship with each other. Clearly that would be a waste of time and effort. |
Kais Fiddler
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.31 18:41:00 -
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It's too bad that CCP probably won't deign to fix the Deimos. The vagabond gets the velocity bonus baked in but the deimos won't get the cap bonus? Ridiculous. I was hoping to actually fly one after it got buffed. |
Kais Fiddler
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.31 22:08:00 -
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Naomi Knight wrote:btw ishtar gets lame double bonuses why other ships cant get those? like 7.5% optimal and tracking for med hybrids instead of 10% optimal /lvl for the eagle?
oh any other bonuses gets implemented into the ship hull then why cant the 4%/lvl resist bonus put directly into the eagle hull and give it another bonus? The resist bonus is far more powerful than the speed or cap recharge bonus. |
Kais Fiddler
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.31 22:34:00 -
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Naomi Knight wrote: btw speed bonus if better ,if you sig tank anyway , not only it lowers the chance you being hit/missile dmg, it allows you to control range which is probably the most important part of pvp in eve
Perhaps. CCP doesn't seem to see eye to eye with you on that considering their recent nerf to resistance bonuses.
As an aside I suspect the mwd role bonus is far more powerful than most people are thinking. |
Kais Fiddler
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.31 22:35:00 -
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Kane Fenris wrote:Kais Fiddler wrote:Naomi Knight wrote:btw ishtar gets lame double bonuses why other ships cant get those? like 7.5% optimal and tracking for med hybrids instead of 10% optimal /lvl for the eagle?
oh any other bonuses gets implemented into the ship hull then why cant the 4%/lvl resist bonus put directly into the eagle hull and give it another bonus? The resist bonus is far more powerful than the speed or cap recharge bonus. somebody here hasnt learned yet that naomi is a dedicated troll I generally don't post on these forums, but this is something I apparently care a lot about, which is somewhat surprising to be honest. |
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